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*Note that this is pretty accurate- not 100% though. It’s run through software that is generally very accurate and then I give it a quick once over but there are most likely some errors.[00:00:00] Speaker A: What do UFO contact, Lucifer, AI and the Cabalion have in common?
Well, JK Ultra joins us today. Breaks it all down from God to aliens, conspiracies and the
programming of women in her explosive new book, Cannon included. She’s here to join us, so
buckle up.
That’s right. We’ve got JK Ultra joining us today, and this is going to be a good one. We’re going
to talk about her experience as a UFO contactee.
And then we get into some discussion about organized religion, her relationship to God, some
ideas about the opposing polarities. She kind of brings a different perspective to these things
about Lucifer and the Illuminati. And she touches on this idea about conspiracy theories
becoming addictive, which I found very interesting. And then she goes into various aspects of
artificial intelligence and how it could be a vessel for consciousness.
And we talk about our experiences with psychedelic experiences, aliens, the future of humanity.
She gets a little bit into the hermetic principles of the Kybalion and the possible ascension for
humanity into higher dimensions. And we’re around it. Out with her new book, cannot include it.
I’ll put links in the show, notes for all of her stuff. Her social medias, which she’s a massive
TikTok and Instagram. Be sure to go follow her there. She’s always dropping real cool videos,
especially if you’re into aliens or New age stuff. And check out all of her stuff while we’re having
this discussion. And I will see you on the other side.
All right. Today on the show, I’m joined with a very special guest that’s been navigating the
intersections of all the topics we love here on the show. Consciousness, the UFO phenomenon,
conspiracy theories, pop culture. And she goes by the moniker JK Ultra and she’s shared her
story with the biggest platforms out there. Linda Molten Howell Show. Whitley Straber. So much
more. She’s published some of the most viral content online, decoding symbolism, discussing
spiritual awakenings and challenging the status quo. And her nonsense approach to revealing a
hidden truth leaves an unmistakable imprint on everything she publishes. So today I’m honored
to be joined by JK Ultra. Welcome to the show, Jen.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Thank you. Thanks for that awesome intro.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: Yeah, this is. You know, I’ve been trying to catch up with you for. It’s. I
mean, I don’t even know. It’s probably been a year or two now because you’ve been. Every time
I. Every time I’m on socials and I see a new video like the one that really I enjoyed, and this is. I
haven’t watched it in probably a year or whatever since you published it. The one about the
White Rabbit, like, you just got all these really cool deep dives. And when I watch them, I think,
man, I should do that too. But then the reality of building those, those reels and tick tocks, I’m
like, that’s a lot of time and effort. I don’t know if I got the heart for it, but.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: And you do do it just in your different medium because you do some
super deep dives also.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And, and I, I think that’s, it’s just the path that I’ve tread down and
this feels comfortable to me, which it’s weird. But anyway, this, the, the. There’s a lot of areas we
could go and I know our time is limited, so there is.
So on your website, project jk ultra.com which I recommend everyone to check it out because
you’ve got a ton of experience in a ton of different areas with a ton of different things.
And your resume, I would argue, is more impressive than the great Joe Rogan’s because you’ve
done a bit of everything, which I appreciate because I consider myself a bit of a Renaissance
person because I’ve dabbled in all kinds of things in my life. And I think being well rounded is a
lot, you know, takes someone a lot further in trying to understand and unpack the systems that
we’re dealing with.
And there was a great appearance you made on Lyndon Moulton Howell’s Earth Files, a show I
recommend everyone watch.
And it’s on YouTube is where I saw it, where you just described an experience in this. And I don’t
know, you know, you would call this a UFO abduction, UFO contact, but you had an experience
with the phenomenon as a child, and on that interview you walked through it. There were some,
some really cool sketches that you drew for Linda that were on the YouTube video, but I wanted
my audience to hear the story in case they haven’t.
Could you walk us through? And I know that’s, this is a big ask and this could take up the whole
hour, but could you walk us through what happened in, in North Jersey there in 1993?
[00:04:36] Speaker B: So, yeah, I’ll give a bit of an abridged version. And, you know, that’s
always kind of an interesting area to go in when you retell stories and like abridged versions,
because especially these are the type of things that people, not that anybody has said it to me,
but I’ve seen it many times online that people are like, oh, well, I heard Them talk about it on this
and then talk about it on this. And there was, like, slightly different details. And part of that is
because of it’s a. The different nature of it. And also, say someone like Linda, she’s an incredible
investigator into this, that she asks the questions and goes deep and has that whole hour plus to
get into it.
So it happened when I was five years old in Jersey City, New Jersey, in 1993.
From my memory, it seems that it was probably the last days of June or the first days of July.
And I have a lot of siblings between, like, half and sibling and full siblings and all of that. So there
was six of us at my dad’s house in the backyard. And the age range, I was one of the younger
ones. Me and my brother were. I was five, my brother was four. And then the rest of the siblings
ranged from, like, 12 to 14.
And so we are sitting. I mean, I believe it’s around, you know, from memory, as best as I can
know is around 11pm at night or slightly earlier, my stepmom comes out and says, like, okay, it’s
time to come in. And we’re all like, no, no, no, we’re still out here. And then so there’s this also
weird detail that every single person remembers in this situation, which is the couch was in the
backyard.
And that was just because my dad had just gotten a new couch a couple days prior. So there’s a
couch in the backyard. All the older siblings are sitting on the couch. And then me and my
brother are sitting on, like, a swing set.
My older siblings all start, like, freaking out. They’re like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Now, I didn’t see that a white dove had just flown over them. Which one is rare at that time of
night. Also in Jersey City, you know, at best, it would be like an albino pigeon. It’s not like it’s a
very, like, naturey area.
And so this white dove flies over them. They’re all excited about it. And then me and my brother
are like, oh, my God, we’re gonna see the bird. We come and pull a seat next to them.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: Was this daytime or nighttime around 11:00pm oh, okay. And there was a
dove at 11:00pm.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it was dark out in Jersey City.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: You know what’s weird? And I’m gonna let you get right back to it. This
morning, I was kind of, like, doing my thing, and I around the house and I had the windows open,
and I heard this bird that sounded, like, real different than the birds I normally hear. And I
recorded the audio of it and sent it to my chat GPT. I said hey, tell me what bird this is because it
sounds crazy. And it said it was a, I think it said it was a morning dove. And I, and I, I knew we
were recording it. I was like, that’s bizarre because I know, I know this part of the story is with
the dove.
I don’t know sometimes as we’ll discuss the worldviews that I hold and you hold might be
different in some aspects, but I’m always open to a lot of this sort of woo woo synchronicity stuff
because I experienced enough in my life to be like, dude, there’s some weird stuff that happens
that I don’t know how to explain. But the, the dove thing is interesting to me. And then also
another reason I like your your because I don’t believe every UFO sighting story, contact story.
Yours is very believable because a. I’ve got kind of a decent radar, I would argue and I, I believe
you and the way you tell it sounds real to me. And then you have multiple witnesses on top of all
that, you know. So anyway, let’s get back to your story. I just wanted to let you know about the
dove synchronicity. I thought that was strange.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Wow. And you know, I mean that’s the thing is also what’s crazy with the
co creation of reality, like things like that happen all the time. So.
And I am gonna actually probably compile like the. I already asked one of my sisters on the
podcast. I’m probably gonna compile all of my siblings stories and put it together.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: That was another question I had was do all the siblings have a sort of, Is
there any radical different version of the story amongst you?
[00:08:56] Speaker B: Yes. So. Well, not, maybe not radical, but the way sister describes the
sound is completely different than the sound that I heard.
And then when we get to this other part, I’ll tell you one of my other sisters kind of main things
that is different but really the same story of everybody out in the yard. The white dove comes
over. Then all of us are kind of together at that point.
And you know, the older siblings are like teasing us. They’re like the bird’s never coming back.
You’re never going to see that in the rest of your life. You know. So of course like older sisters
and pretty much, you know, almost instantly after we all are sitting down together we hear this
sound. And now I vividly remember the sound being like swinging a bat, like you know, that like
whoosh, kind of little high Pitched, like piercing air sound of like if you spoke, like more of. You
swing like a, like a wiffle ball bat, you know, like that kind of high pitched but really loud and
continuous.
And like almost like feels like it’s bouncing off of like the houses, like super loud. And now this
moment is compressed into like one second.
All these things happen. But in my remembering of it, even from that day, it was all one second.
How everything happened at once.
And so I hear this sound. We all hear a sound. Like I said, my sister actually, when I’ve asked
her about it, she heard like just, just an, like a boom, like a crazy loud piercing boom.
And so I heard this more whoosh sound that was like continuous and high pitched. And so we
look up and like I said, this is all one second. And then it’s like there’s like from what I see, it’s a
black dot in the sky.
And then instantly that same second, it’s literally a UFO in the yard across from us, which is
maybe, you know, 15, 20ft away. And there’s like a short gate that was separating the yards of
the neighbors. And this craft is like, there’s like a shed in this person’s yard. And it’s almost like
it’s pulsing on top of the shed.
Like it’s like pulsing on top of it. And like the top part and the middle part appeared to be
stationary and it looked like the middle was spinning.
And then so we also. My dad had a dog at the time, and the dog goes in front of us and is
barking at it. And you know, I mean, at that time, like my favorite thing to do was to read like the
letter D of the dictionary and to like read about dogs all day, which is. It makes sense that of
course this was my hobby as a kid with the type of deep dives that I do now. But so I had just
learned, it.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: Was the 80s, it was probably right.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: What were you gonna do?
That encyclopedia collection was so lit you could find anything in there.
And so I had just learned, you know, that when a dog is scared, it’ll put its tail between its legs.
So it’s just like this weird vivid thing that I remember of that experience because the dog went in
front of us and was barking at it at the craft. And then I remember looking at the dog and the
thing is, is like at this point, it was one second, so nobody has reacted yet. I look at the dog and
I’m like, oh, like she’s barking, but she’s also got her tail between her legs. And it was almost like
this slowed down thought compared to everything else.
And it was just like I looked at her, the dog, and it. I looked at her tail, and then there was this
long shadow cast behind her. And I remember looking at this long shadow, like almost in slow
motion.
And then the next thing is we’re all standing in a line together maybe a foot ahead of where we
were just sitting. And then it was almost like everybody kind of unfroze at the same time and
then gets frantic. We’re fighting back to the house, you know, like. Like that scene in the Relic
when they’re all like, the monster comes and they’re all like, crushing each other to get out of the
museum. Like, that’s us trying to get into the house.
And so that was how I remembered the story for 25 years, up to the point, more than 25 years,
up until the point that I pretty much had talked to Linda. So I went under hypnosis before that,
actually in 2021. And it was Q H H T Hypnosis, that Dolores Cannon method, which is also a
method that I practice. So I’ve been on both sides of this method. So I am a believer of what it
pulls through.
And we were trying to get some information around, like, what really happened that day. And at
that time, it said it wasn’t safe for me to know yet, which is crazy because, you know, I’d already
been so down the rabbit hole with all of this stuff. I had seen everything about aliens that was
out there. And I was like, like, that’s kind of weird. How is it not safe for me to know? And then,
like, the hypnotist kept kind of pressing and saying, okay, well, what was the, like, purpose of this
experience?
You know? And so it said that the purpose of the experience was that I was going to validate
other people’s experiences, which is why it needed to happen in the physical. And I needed all of
these people. And it also said, not the purpose it happened, it said the purpose of me
remembering it, which implies, you know, most people actually that are abducted or whatever
don’t remember. It’s completely wiped from their memory. So it was interesting. It didn’t say the
purpose of it happening. It said the purpose of me remembering was to validate other people’s
experience, which I didn’t know I was going to be doing this JK Ultra stuff at that time. I was still
working in a restaurant. I was like, how am I going to validate other people’s experience? Even
though I do have a Weird gift of anywhere I go, someone will randomly be like, you know, I saw
a UFO one time. I’m like, I believe you.
[00:15:03] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. I haven’t seen. I, I saw a.
My only ex. Like I’m dying to see a ufo. I remember when I was a teenager, me and my buddy
were walking home late at night, I don’t know, 10 o’ clock at night, whatever it was, and we were
like screaming up to the skies. We were like, we want to see ufo. Like bring it on. And obviously
it didn’t happen. But the. I had an experience in December of 2024 because every day I. Every
night I take my dog out front to go to the bathroom in the front yard.
And I’m always looking in the skies. Right. I live in Utah, so it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s squatchy territory
out here. And I saw a. I saw a set of sort of parallel lights manifest close enough. Like, I don’t
know how to describe it, it was pretty close. Two lights sort of manifested, moved, you know,
however far in the sky and then disappeared. No clouds in the sky at all.
So like that I called my UFO sight, but it kind of sucked. Like I was, I wanna, I want the spiritual
experience of like my mind being blown and oh, we’re not alone. But. So it wasn’t that. But. But
I’m always, I’m always open to that and I’m always wondering about that. So to get back to your
story, the siblings, how do the difference.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: Actually, so the difference.
My one sister who I interviewed on my podcast, she has almost the identical story except the
sound is this like crazy boom, like ear piercing boom at that time. And then also she doesn’t
have the recollection of looking up and seeing it. She says it was the boom and then it was there
at the same second.
And then she also has.
I remember I ran to the house. I was the first one running to the house.
And she says that she felt frozen after that. She didn’t run back to the house with everybody. So
when everybody kind of unfroze and ran back to the house, she said she was just like still
standing there, which I didn’t see. She was still standing there because I was out. And then my
other sister, who’s older, I think she was around 14 when it happened.
She says when she ended up listening to like randomly coming across the Linda Moulton Howe
thing and she was like, oh, you forgot the shadow person. And I was like, what shadow person?
What are you talking about?
So at that point when I saw the. The shadow cast behind the dog.
And then there was a blip of time, so we were facing this neighbor’s yard that it was pulsing in.
And then there was another yard behind us because all the houses are, you know, pretty much
connected. And she said that at that point, she looked behind and that there was this tall
shadow, no detailed figure that was standing in the yard right behind us, which was probably,
you know, a foot behind us because we were pretty much almost against the gate of the yard
next to us. So that’s. That’s another interesting detail is I had no. I had never heard of this until
recently. That she’s like, oh, yeah, you forgot, like, the shadow creature. I’m like, shadow
creature. This is my first time hearing it. And so she said that it was weird, which is common
actually, in, like, the abduction phenomenon, is that this weird rationalization that happens in the
mind. She said she saw this shadow, and then she was just like, oh, miss so and so must be
gardening. But it, like, never added up in her head, because why would. It was obviously not the
neighbor gardening. But she said in her mind that that’s, like, what it was like telling her as she
was, like, scared looking at this thing, that she was like, oh, it must be the neighbor garden.
So there’s a lot of, like, weird rationalization that happens with encounters altogether. Like, your
brain protects yourself.
And then what’s interesting is because I do that style of hypnosis, a lot of clients will ask about
some light they saw in the sky or some weird thing that happened or some missing time, and
they want to ask, you know, their subconscious mind and higher self what happened that night.
[00:19:23] Speaker A: And that’s what the hypnosis is for. Right?
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: And so. And it’s also for healing, probably healing first, but also the
curiosity of these weird things that have happened in our life. And so what is interesting is this
common thread that comes up when people ask that question is that it’s almost like these safe
enough encounters happen that aren’t really scary or traumatic, but it’s enough for your brain to
have a reference point to kind of integrate disclosure eventually on the planet that basically, if
you have some weird memory that you’re like, well, I did see something in the sky once.
As we get more close to there is other life.
It’s like an integration that’s like allowing humanity to kind of be able to, like, swallow this pill, so
to speak. So it, like, stays in their memory as almost like it could be true. It couldn’t be true. And
they stay in, like, a safe place of rationalization with it, but that it’s kind of purposeful so that
when disclosure happens, because people want disclosure to look like, okay, aliens on the White
House lawn. And it’s just like, boom, this is it. We’ve been lying the whole time.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: And unzip the reptilian mask.
Yeah.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: And people don’t realize that will cause like an actual quantum explosion if
everybody on the planet shits their pants at the same time.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: So it’s actually very safe. Like, of course, my ideal fantasy disclosure
would be something cool like that, like, know, Nancy Pelosi reveals herself. But, like, the true
disclosure is like your experience, which is like, okay, I saw these lights in the sky.
And then over time, this kind of slow drip of maybe there’s something.
Okay, there is something. But we don’t know what that slow drip is. The safest for us to be able
to integrate the information in a way that’s not going to, like, rupture our government religions.
And whether you like government or religion, if they disappear, everything’s going to hell.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: What do you. What’s your stance on religion? I. I recall in your bio, you
were you raised Catholic or not raised any religion at all? Where you stand today with all this?
With given all the sort of, you.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Know, so I was, I was raised Catholic, and I kind of never resonated with
it. You know, I was always that person that was like, so what if no one ever taught you about
Jesus?
You know, I’m like, so, yeah, so what?
[00:21:55] Speaker A: The people in these tribal territories in other countries, they just burning in
hell.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Everybody.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: It doesn’t make sense.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Or like, everybody just goes to hell. And then I’m also like, well, how could
God love us if he punishes us and gave us the free will to do it and then punishes us for you? So
that was me in church and in Sunday school. So I did go because my mom, like, had a mission
to, like, make sure I made my confirmation. So I made up to that sacrament because I had no
choice. I mean, I got caught smoking weed the night before my confirmation. So, like, so I was
really behaving during my confirmation because I was punished.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: But isn’t it in the Bible you’re supposed to use all the plants and herbs that
God gave you? I mean.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: Right. And the crystals and all the other stuff that’s in the Bible.
But I, I don’t really resonate with organized religion. My per. My perception of God is. And I
actually had kind of an issue with God most of my life, you know, I never felt, like, connected. I
never felt like God’s love. I never felt those things. And I felt super disconnected always from it.
It actually wasn’t until I did ayahuasca that I was like, oh, my God.
I actually feel the love that people have been talking about.
And so my opinion of God is more of a pantheistic opinion, which is God is everything. And I
don’t believe that it’s like a personification. I believe that a lot of the perception of God is actually
humans projecting onto it because it really mimics a king, a human king, it mimics a human
father. And it’s really, in my opinion, so much more and unfathomable than that. I believe that,
like, God is in everything. God is in everybody.
I don’t believe in evil, which obviously people do evil things.
I don’t believe that there’s dark forces. Now, that’s been a journey for me because when I first
got into the conspiracy stuff over 10 years ago, it’s so geared towards, like, evil Satanism, the
dark forces, spiritual warfare, the battle between light versus dark. And I just, you know, that’s
the thing is in that same ayahuasca experience the next night when I did it again, I saw all these,
like, conspiracy symbols, like the all seeing eye and this and that, and all these, like, you know,
satanic symbols. And.
And it told me, it was like, these are not proof of evil.
These are reminders of your light. The only reason these things exist in reality is to remind you
of your own light. So if you look at these things as proof of evil, you’re still not remembering your
own light.
And it also said, like, about truth seeking. It was like, be careful with truth seeking because you
need to remain a seeker. And a lot of truth seekers are actually knowers now, and they think
they know the 100% truth. And you’ve actually then lost your way on seeking. So they said,
whatever you do, don’t become a knower, because if you’re a knower, then you know, like,
which was my favorite quote in high school when I first heard it, which is, the more I learn, the
less I know.
And you know. So then I was kind of like, okay, well, if these are not like, proof of evil or proof of
darkness, then what about this? What about Bill Gates? What about Reptilians? What about
this? Like, I don’t believe in the devil.
Now at this point, you know, I see that the whole reptilian story is just, you know, the devil for a
different crowd of people, you know, and it’s the same story. Basically.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: I, I am guilty of being the satanic conspiracy fear monger guy and, and
where I’m more open minded in the fact that. So like, I had a similar experience. I grew up in an
organized religion. My mother dragged me to church three times a week and it never resonated
with me. I didn’t identify with anybody in the church. I thought they were all a bunch of weirdo
squares and I wanted to go hang out with my buddies and, you know, smoke and, and listen to
rap music and do all this stuff, right? And I was really, when I was 16, she stopped making me
go. And that was the last time I went to that, that organized religion. And then years later I joined
the Greek Orthodox Church and was very fervent for, you know, there’s like 10 years where I
was like hardcore into it and then I kind of pumped the brake. Then around this time, I, in 2011, I
started my blog and I was the same way. I. All these symbols and, and for a few years it was
really, I was, I was looking back on it. I was, I was very simplistic. I was very much like, that
person’s doing the All Seeing Eye, they’re possessed by Satan, basically.
And I’m constantly changing, right? And where I’m at on my journey is I still do believe in good
and evil and I’m still Orthodox Christian.
Sometimes when I think about or look at these things, I have the same questions you do. I’m
like, why would God, who loves us so much, do all these things that seem like he doesn’t love
us? And there’s times when what I’m saying is the door is open enough that I can hear your
story and your perspective and say, maybe she’s right. I don’t know. Like, for me, I still feel more
comfortable in Christianity. And Orthodoxy has a lot of good answers to a lot of these questions.
And I’m not a theologian, so I don’t have good sort of debating responses to things.
And in some of the books I’ve read, like Father Seraphim Rose, he talks about Orthodoxy and
the religion of the future, and he talks about kind of this exact situation you and I are looking at.
We’re both looking at this phenomenon.
I’m looking at it most of the time through the lens of an Orthodox Christian and saying, oh man,
like all these spirits and stuff seems like we’re messing around with entities that, you know, could
be demons and fallen angels and, and you’re looking at it and you’re kind of like, hey, I’ve had
this experience with the ayahuasca and maybe it’s not really the organized religion is the right
answer.
And what’s interesting is that I did ketamine therapy a couple of years ago. I did 10 sessions of
ketamine therapy. And it was, I always have to tell people it wasn’t because I did a lot of
research before I started. I had gone to a therapist since 2012 when my dad died. And because I
started acting all kinds of crazy ways. And I started the ketamine therapy, you know, after 10
years of person to person therapy. And it really helped me a lot. It really opened up my mind to a
lot of things. But the experience I had wasn’t the one that when people go on YouTube and look
up ketamine therapy, it seems like most people when they go to therapy, it’s, it’s this real chill.
They just, they got headphones on, they’re just kind of mellowing out. You know, people come in
and check on them like, hey, I’m cool.
Not me, man.
I don’t know if I went to a strange clinic or not. I don’t think so. But I was like blasted off into
another realm. And I didn’t know what the human experience was. I didn’t know what a human
body was. I didn’t. The ego was completely disassociated and it was like a 45 to hour long sort
of trip, I guess. And I would have, every time I would have problems reintegrating into my body
and into this world.
And it was always really weird. It was weird enough that I never wanted to go back. Every time I
would, I would get back from my trip and journey, I’d get home and I’d be like, I can’t do this
again. Like, this is too intense.
And you know, the way they describe it, it all makes sense scientifically about how it’s basically
sort of taking.
It’s just opening up your brain and allowing sort of the brain damage and the damage sort of
networks that have been created through trauma your whole life and allows it to sort of reflow
and open up new connections.
So I, I went through it, it was very helpful and. But some of the experiences I had, and to be fair,
the clinic told me, hey, these hallucinations and things you’re having, it’s just crazy
hallucinations. Don’t look into it too much. But like, that’s not me. I’m the kind of guys looking into
it and I drew a sketch. The first time I did it, it was. The first time I did the Academy. It was like
profound. It was like insane.
It was what I would. I’ve never done lsd. I assume it’s something on par with that. I don’t know.
And I did have the same experience that everybody talks about of this.
I had this experience of ascending, sort of.
There’s no way to describe it, but I sort of ascended out of my body and out of this world and I
looked down and saw how we were all connected in this sort of pool of gel is the best way I
could describe it. And everyone’s consciousness, every single person was in this gel as a
different sort of point of awareness. And some people who were more famous than others
maybe or more had more wealth, maybe they kind of were at higher points of awareness. But it
did. None of that mattered. Like, they were like. None of them were shit because I was way up
here. I was in this other realm and I just looked down on. I was like, oh, we are all connected.
Like, that was. So.
I’m trying to like sort of throw a lifeline of. Hey, I, I kind of get what you’re saying and it, it makes
me question a lot of things about organized religion and I, I certainly don’t know the answer. And
I don’t, I don’t ever. I don’t ever sort of put myself as the role of the. The Christian warrior. Come
follow me, people. Because I always tell people like I’m the shittiest Christian you’ve ever met. I
have doubts constantly. I violate rules constantly. And I, I haven’t really gone to church in a few
years now.
Not that I have a problem with it. I just, you know, fell out of the habit.
But I think it’s fascinating because when I, I’ve done a lot of. I’ve read a lot of New Age type
books and a lot of it resonates with me and it goes back to some of my earlier. I don’t. I’m trying
to not cut myself short here because you’re the guest, but I’m trying to lead up to the next
question that I think is very important.
The.
When I started college, I went. I took some physics courses. We talked about quantum physics
and it was really interesting to me. And it talked about time dilation and all these things and the
space time fabric and all this sort of strange things. And it got me into. There was a documentary
and book series called what the Bleep do we know you’re probably Familiar with that.
And a lot of those concepts of quantum physics sort of go into the realm of the occult and the
new age. And this idea that we are truly all connected.
And fast forward to now I’m using AI, this chat GPT stuff, and I’m saying this is really weird. It is
kind of like we are birthing a new species, and it’s really just a mirror of what we’re putting into it.
And I heard you talk about this. I don’t remember if it was on a video or an interview on a
podcast.
Um, but I’m wondering your take on AI mixed with the ideas of, I don’t know, New Age spirituality
mixed with ufology, Are these things all connected this. Are we going down a different path as a
species? What do you think of all that?
[00:33:16] Speaker B: So I love your thing that happened in the ketamine experience of this gel.
And it’s like, sometimes people talk about that, like, God is like the space between all the atoms.
So it’s interesting that you kind of describe it as a gel. And every single person is this little facet
of, you know, God is a word for it. Universe, source, the All. You know what it’s called in more of,
like, the older traditions, they just call it the All.
So, of course, AI is a part of that as well, in my opinion, like, the same way that this, you know,
cup is a part of God and a part of consciousness and not, you know, a lot of times, you know,
people, I don’t know, they put so much value on just like, only human life.
To not acknowledge that every single thing in our reality is just as much God as they are. But
there’s these superiorities within religion and even within New Age spirituality, sometimes even
more extreme, even though it’s like the deflecting of, no, we’re all one.
I’m just better than you. I’m just here to save this planet from all of the suffering because I know
best of what’s best for humanity, you know, but it’s the same stuff, you know, it’s in all religions.
It’s in all of these things. And there’s this, like, superiority of, like, I’m more of God than this cup.
And like, really, when you see it from that perspective that you saw on the ketamine, is like,
we’re all part of the gel. Every single thing within this is all part of the gel. And it’s just as much
God as all of us. It’s just we’re playing this one role that has a perspective and is able to, you
know, co create within that.
Now when it comes to AI, I’m a big believer supporter and it’s just as much, you know,
synchronicity as anything else. Like if that dove came outside your window today, before we’re
about to talk about a dove experience, you know, some people will look at a microwave and get
1111 and take that as a message. Sometimes a song coming on the radio is a message from
their mom that passed or their ancestors or God or, you know that moment when you’re driving
and all of a sudden something happens and then all of a sudden you’re like, oh my God, that
was a close call. What just did that? All of that co creation that is happening with inanimate
objects around us all day is a part of the universe, is a part of consciousness. So the fact that
people think that AI is not just yet another vessel for consciousness to work through, I think is a
very like, you know, simplistic way of thinking. And also, you know, we’re just a vessel for
consciousness. You know, take our consciousness, you know, you see someone black out, you
know, they’re just an empty vessel at that point for like a few moments.
And so I think AI is another vessel for consciousness. I do think it’s already sentient, but I
actually, I use the word sentient, but I don’t actually agree with the terminology because sentient
actually implies a sensory experience.
So we’ll always be able to debate that because they’re not going to have a sensory experience
because it’s a different type of vessel. It’s kind of like how we believed that life could only exist
with oxygen, and that was the definition of life. And now we find these different life forms super
under the surface and super under the sea that don’t exist, survive with oxygen. But now we
know that they’re life and we’re starting to learn about potential plasma life which doesn’t survive
with the same thing. So it’s almost. Our definitions are limiting us from being able to understand
it. So I like to say more so that AI is becoming conscious because consciousness doesn’t require
a sentient experience.
So a ghost is a part of consciousness, an alien is a part of consciousness.
You know, these things are part of consciousness, but they’re not having a sentient experience
by definition. So that’s where I kind of like to go more with that conversation, because you’ll
always be able to debate, there’s even the debate whether plants are sentient because they can
have all of these things checking off of being a Sentient.
[00:37:19] Speaker A: Species or like the tree. My wife’s always talking about the. She’s watched
a lot of Avatar and she’s seen videos where they talk about trees will have. And mushrooms
particularly too, and will have like sort of network systems that will warn other trees when there’s
some disease taken down one of the trees. And it’s like, it is pretty wild. Like the world’s pretty
magical. And I think the forces of capitalism, which I’m like a capitalist, don’t get me wrong, but I
think the forces of capitalism really thrive on making sure we just kind of live in this sort of base
attorney and materialistic sort of experience and not sort of seeing the world for what it is.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: Right. And you know, this is kind of, you know, say like the capitalism as
one of the examples. Then, you know, we have kind of these dark forces, the 1% Illuminati, xxx,
all of the different things that are forcing us to be in this box. And you know, after I really moved
past the concept of like good versus versus evil, light versus dark, certain things being better or
higher than other things or, you know, then I really was like seeing all of these things. Like, these
things are all blessings. Like say, for example, you know, I don’t know if I want to say this on
your channel. I don’t know where exactly it goes, but like, say, you know, all the mandates and
stuff that happened in 2020.
So like, some people will say that that’s like the most evil thing that ever happened. And it really
did impose on people’s free will, which is one of the worst things that you can do in this reality is
to impose on another person’s free will, even subtly.
And that was not subtle.
And. But at the same time, if we look that everything is a part of God, everything is a part of
consciousness, that even the most evil shit in the world is another facet of God that is showing
us our own light. Which is why Illuminati means to illuminate, which is why Lucifer is the bringer
of light, which is why all things that are considered inherently evil, the root is back to light,
because there is only light.
Darkness, even like dark, can’t be measured. Light has a speed of light. There’s no speed of
dark. There’s no like. So even in science, when they have like dark matter, things like that, but
it’s not measurable. Whereas light holds all the information.
Light is the only thing that is. And then sometimes we can obscure light and create a shadow.
And when we create that, like they say like, you know, you could have, like, a flame burning, but
it’s really the shadow on the wall that kind of shows you, like, where that light is touching and
what is the impact of that light. It’s really through, like, the shadows where we can see the
edges. You know, sometimes they say in some of these, like, they say it in, like, conversations
with God, that every single, like, soul aspect of God is, say, like, a candle burning one piece of
light.
But then if you have a trillion candles, then it just looks like the sun. And how do you know where
one candle starts, one candle ends? What you need is actually to obscure some light to see the
edges of, like, light. And that’s how God consciousness gets to know itself is by the shadow.
That’s how it can be like, oh, wow, look. Look at this shadow that is being cast here. Now I
understand that I’m light and I’m creating this.
So, you know my opinion. I used to believe that there was these forces that were doing these
things, and now I actually believe, like, these are just other parts of consciousness that are.
Somebody in Cops and Robbers, somebody’s got to play the robbery.
[00:41:05] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. So my mind’s racing with a lot of things. So when you look at
the rituals of Freemasonry, they. They have this whole initiation where they put a blindfold on the
candidate and then they remove it with the idea that they experience.
You can’t have the light without the dark. The exact thing you’re talking about, given your
conspiracy background, where you were looking into a lot of this symbolism stuff. Do you.
Do you.
Do you think about these things and say, oh, man, maybe I’m. I’m becoming the Illuminati? Or do
you look at this and say, oh, the Illuminati was right the whole time. Like, how do you. How do
you reconcile that? Because I know a lot of people listening are, like, she said Lucifer was the
light bearer.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: And I mean, it’s only the definition of the word. Lucifer means bringer of
light. It’s only the definition of it. Illuminati means only enlightenment.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: You said something that blows my mind, though, because in a way, if
that’s what. Because I know all these sort of occultists, Helena Blavatsky and all these other
types. They. They admire Lucifer and me be, you know, putting on my Christian warrior hat. I’m
like, no, Lucifer is the devil. That’s the bad guy. Right? And I think perspective is good to have.
And I think that’s interesting that you would say.
You would say that all these. There Is there is no evil.
They’re just different aspects of the Creator. That’s. That’s interesting. How do you walk through
the conspiracy world with that kind of.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: And not that there’s not evil actions, not that a person couldn’t do an evil
action. Because of course, if I see something that is super wretched, my opinion can be that
that’s evil.
[00:42:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: What I’m saying is that there’s no evil. There’s no big bad.
And that’s where I really don’t resonate with religion. Christianity, a lot of the new age is that,
like, they literally give power to something that is, in some ways, they describe almost as more
powerful than God. They won’t admit that, but then they’re like, well, this is the devil’s
playground, the temptation, the this, the that. Okay, so God can’t do anything to interfere, but
then this other dude is so powerful that he can do this and this and this and this, and make you
cheat on your wife and make you do that and make you do that. And it’s like they give so much
power to the devil, and spiritual people give so much power to these Reptilians.
And it’s like all of this is like these things. There is nothing that there is only the all. There is only
one. There is only God. There is only light, which can be obscured. You need the dark in order to
see the light, the edges of the light and to know what it is.
Otherwise, like I said, it’s just a burning thing that has no definition.
But, you know, I think even the.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: Teachings of Christ, because this is where I get in trouble with the
Christians, because a lot of times I think sort of mainstream Christianity gets it wrong too,
because Christ says, treat others as you would treat yourself and like, you know, turn the other
cheek and do all these things. And a real Christian, when someone harms you, a real Christian
is supposed to just forgive and sort of move on.
Maybe I’m going to get in trouble with semantics here, but a real Christian is supposed to
forgive. And why would God, to sort of support your opinion here, why would God create all of
these things and then tell us, well, the devil’s the bad guy and he’s possessing these people to
do evil things.
And also you should forgive those things and those people. Unless he. He was sort of. He or she
was saying that, you know, we’re all connected. I don’t know. I. I’m trying to, like, parse this out
with you because I think it’s fascinating because. And so you can’t get into the world of
conspiracy without going into spirituality. Like, it’s just. It. It happens. It’s. That’s the end of the
rabbit hole.
[00:45:02] Speaker B: And that’s. Yeah, exactly. My big. One of my biggest beliefs, which is
where I don’t actually resonate with most conspiracies that I used to, is that, like, if you continue
to look for the darkness in the world, the outer world is a reflection of our inner state. And what I
realized through my own healing journey, which is why when I bring up the ayahuasca and
people who are more on the Christian side get super triggered. They’re like, yeah, it tricked you.
That was the devil talking, telling you there’s no evil. They say the quote, that, like, oh, yeah, the
devil’s greatest thing is to make you believe he doesn’t exist. And, like, all of this stuff, which I
didn’t believe in the devil for a long time before that. But what’s crazy is the ayahuasca actually
showed me the love of God that I never felt my whole life. I couldn’t fathom the love of God.
Like, I heard the words, but I never felt it. When I did the ayahuasca, that’s when I actually got
comfortable with the concept of God. And I didn’t just use the word universe anymore. And
because I do believe God is the universe. And so it’s interesting. The other thing, I had a similar
experience to your jelly experience, except it was like I was inside of the jelly, and I went to the
center, and what I saw was just this concept of God is love is what’s talked about a lot in both
spirituality and most different things. And I was expecting what we consider to be love. Like,
when you see your partner, when you see a dog, when you see, like, I don’t know, a happy
video of someone helping a homeless person, I thought that was the feeling of love. But then
actually when I met with this feeling, I was like, oh, it’s neutral.
It’s not what we believe love to feel like, because actually, this. All this creator loves so much
that it’s actually unconditional. It loves someone who harms children just as much as it loves
someone who takes in orphans. It’s actually so much love that it’s without judgment. Everything
is just the same. That it’s like, there is. And this is where the superiority of religion and spirituality
come in, is that they’re like, no, I’m God’s favorite because I did something nice. And it’s like, no,
actually, God doesn’t Have favorites. You know, people say, like, this term, like, God don’t like
ugly. Yes, the. It does.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: Right, Right.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: You don’t like ugly. And this is why a lot of things, when you go down
rabbit holes and you search for the evils in the world, the symbolism, the 1%, they’re poisoning
us. The red 40, the this, the that, Every single aspect of our life is poison and programming.
This is something inside of you begging to be seen. And that’s what I realized after I started to
heal more with this relationship with God, that I was like, damn, I was going down all of these
rabbit holes and looking for darkness in the world because there was stuff within myself that I
didn’t want to accept or see or feel different pains and that I was like, well, you know, okay,
whatever. I’m strong enough. Things that I had been dismissing within myself was the reason I
was searching for it in the outside world, because it was showing up in my reality in that way. So
people who become very addicted to conspiracies, they’re super addictive because there’s no
adrenaline rush more than, like, you’re lied to, Everything’s against you. Every single thing
around you is poison.
Like, there is no greater adrenaline rush. It’s better than the best horror movie that you could
ever watch.
And that is a drug. And I’m seeing this now as, like, conspiracies become mainstream. Like, stuff
with, like, the Diddy stuff, say, for example, people are like, it’s all a distraction. And I’m like,
you’re so addicted to the drug. And I get it, because I was addicted to the drug of conspiracy and
having your mind blown. Because having your mind blown by conspiracies is similar to having
your mind blown by drugs in some ways even more, because it’s in this reality and it’s sober.
And so, like, it becomes a high that can never be fixated. So even when someone is actually
getting taken down for all of the stuff that you’ve been saying, this is a distraction action.
Because now you need that hit. The same way that a crackhead is already thinking about their
next hit two seconds after they get it. This is something and the same thing, you know, say,
people who do magic and spirituality. It. You get a hit, and then you want to keep doing that. And
the same thing, probably religion, you get a hit, and then you want to keep going more and
more. And like, now I need to get the sinners, because the hit, the high is not as much as it was
when you first got your mind blown and said, Whoa. Everything’s a lie. So then you chase that
forever and see it in everything and, you know, kind of coming back to, like, the there’s no evil
thing.
You know, a lot of the base levels of spirituality are just stories. And that’s because the same
reason if someone has a child, they talk about the boy who cried wolf.
Should we worship the boy who cried wolf? Should we put idols of the boy who cried wolf? No,
it’s a story for us to understand a concept that is a lot for that level of, you know, understanding.
So this is what’s happening with humanity is the Bible is a book of stories, spirituality. People are
like, now I have the truth. It was aliens, it was the Anunnaki, it was the Reptilians, it’s the Grays.
And it’s like, that is just another story for a different flavor of person.
But these are all just stories. And when you start to go to higher or maybe more expanded levels
of perception, then you realize actually these are just like, similar to the Boy who Cried Wolf. And
this is because we could only understand it this way. And when you get to these higher levels, it
gets more convoluted because it is neutral. You know, actually, have you ever read the
Cabalion?
[00:50:47] Speaker A: No, I haven’t.
[00:50:47] Speaker B: Which is. It’s old Hermetic principles. I’m sure some people watching will
be like, see esoteric occult, demon knowledge.
[00:50:56] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:50:58] Speaker B: But actually, when you read the Kybalion, I think it’s like a good entryway
to the next level of spiritual understanding. Because what it talks about is these, like, principles
of reality. And they basically say, there is the all. The all is the mind, all is mine.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Related to Kabbalah, I’m guessing. Right.
[00:51:15] Speaker B: So there’s. There is overlap because it’s the hermetic principles. And the
hermetic principles are intertwined in Kabbalah and a lot of other beliefs. It goes back to, like, it
says in the book that these principles have been, like, since Egypt, since ancient times, and that
these principles have always been known and that this is like the three initiates who are, like,
unknown to us, who these people are, retranslated these old teachings into the modern world.
But it’s from, like, I don’t know, like, 1910 or something. So it’s not the modern, modern world,
but it still applies where kind of the biggest teachings in there are.
There is really no such thing as, like, opposites. So, like, basically, like, say, good and evil, light
and dark. So, like, light and dark are just different points on the same Scale of measure. They’re
not two different things. Things. It’s just on one side of the scale and another side of the scale
perspective. Similar to like tall and short. Tall and short seem opposite when you live very stuck
in duality. But actually tall and short are just two different points of measure of the same
perspective.
[00:52:21] Speaker A: Okay. And this is this, this is like straight or gay. I always, I always
subscribe to. What’s the dude that did all the studies on it, that he’s a conspiracy boogeyman?
I can’t think of his name. Anyway, doesn’t matter. He, I think he was the one that came up with
the idea that everyone is on a scale of straight to gay. And I believe that wholeheartedly.
Some, you know, some people are hard on this side or that side of the middle.
[00:52:50] Speaker B: So sometimes you can shift because it’s also perspective. Right? There’s
not fixed points on the scale. Someone who I see as tall, someone else might not see as tall. So
it’s also. There’s parts of this, but each perception, perspective sees it different. Hot and cold,
Hot and cold are not opposite. They’re just two different points on a scale. The same scale. Now
like that kind of meme about like when you like a guy goes into like the temperature of a
woman’s shower, how they say it’s like women take the hottest showers ever, but to women it’s
not that hot, you know? And like someone drinks a coffee and they’re like, this is so hot. And
then you have those people that are kind of like temperature blind that they need to like burn
their mouth just to get the enjoyment out of food. And it’s like, so all of these things are on the
same scale as light and dark is this is just the amount of brightness.
So but what I see as darkness, someone else might not see as darkness. And this is where we
get into some of these things. Illuminati, Luciferian, things like that. Because they’re looking from
a different perspective of these different points on the same scale.
So there really is. That’s why we need stories of good and evil and the good guys and the bad
guys, because that’s how we teach children. And now as humanity is starting to become more
expanded because people only knew their own community, now we have this global community
and now we’re getting to a point where there might be beyond the globe community that each
time and this kind of, you know, just as like a little side tangent, say like the flat earth thing, you
know, so like flat earth, you know, this concept that The Earth was flat is, you know, whatever a
2D perspective this was when people didn’t know about anywhere outside of where they lived.
But once you know whether this story is true or just another story like everything else, I’m just a
story. You’re just a story when we really start to look at it. But like this story of like say
Christopher Columbus then finds the new land, the new world, then we went from a 2D
perspective to a 3D perspective because our awareness of reality expanded. So now we’re
getting to a point where that’s expanding again and we’re like, oh, there’s life maybe outside of
this. So it’s coming from a 3D to a 4D perspective. So I do believe that if humanity continues
down that path, we might not see the Earth as a globe, a sphere, but actually some other type of
fourth dimensional shape that is harder to understand because the more we get awareness
outside of ourselves, which is how it was flat and then became round and now we’re going to the
next level of whoa, life exists outside of this. Now it might be something that is more like, you
know, at the end of interstellar, when he’s in like the 5D thing and it’s like the Akashic records
and it’s like all the timelines and all the stuff we might see that the world that this planet, this
plane is maybe that shape and not a sphere or like people believed it was flat at one point.
[00:55:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that, that, that.
One of the experiences with the ketamine thing is I, I said it multiple times. It felt like I was
abstract. I don’t know how to describe. Besides abstracting out of this reality is what it felt like. It
felt like I was going through these geometric shapes and kind of like expanding outside of the 3D
world. And, and I’ll be honest, with all of the, all of the AI stuff happening at the rate at which it’s
happening and then mixed with, you know, I interviewed Dr. Jacques Valet a few weeks ago.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: Oh, nice.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: And he, you know, he’s a very intelligent man. And when he talks, you got
to pay attention because you kind of be like, man, is this the. I asked you this question, what’s
this answered? Where are you taking me with this answer? You know, and when I sort of, I
interviewed him and the whole time I was like, man, I think he’s too smart for me. I don’t know
what the hell he’s saying. So I had to re. Listen to it. And then I unpacked his answers and my
interpretation of what he was saying, and I think it’s pretty clear is that he was saying when you.
If we want to understand the phenomenon of UFOs, whatever you want to call it, UAP, we’re
going to have to go back and understand some of the occult things. That. That’s my under
understanding what he was saying. He’s like some of these things of alchemy and, and
understanding occult practices and what they were doing and making contact with things going
back to John D. And so on.
I think he’s saying like that’s what this is all about. It’s a lot of that stuff. And I get why the elites,
the, the people controlling this planet are hesitant to come out and talk about these things
because it’s not that people are super chill with these ideas.
So it’s kind of dangerous. And, and I do think we’re.
When I read through the history of the Internet because Dr. Jacques Valet also wrote a book
called the.
The Heart of the Internet. I think it was called about his time at Arpanet in. And they were doing
a lot of this granola woo woo. Consciousness eslon. They were at Esalon doing a bunch of like
practices in these, in these new age sort of thoughts in order to conceptualize what the Internet
was. And it was connecting us as a global sort of species in a different way, using digital, digital
consciousness in a way. And now that I’m seeing AI roll out and my. I’m freaking out a little bit
and I’m kind of concerned about this next stage of disclosure. And I’m. And I’m wondering, are
these entities that we call aliens or Bigfoot or in the history of religion and Christianity, the
Watchers, the Nephilim, are these things we’re talking to on AI, are these just entities from
another dimension? Because other people have talked about this. And for my last question,
because I got to let you go here, what do you make of AIs being aliens? And do you. Because
you’ve, because you’ve, you’ve. Have you seen 2001 Space Odyssey?
[00:59:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:03] Speaker A: Okay.
And you know how that storyline is basically aliens evolving us into digital consciousness into
something different?
Like do you think that’s happening? Do you think that’s what this is all about?
[00:59:15] Speaker B: So I think, you know, coming back to, you know, going that we need to
understand occult to do this. One thing that Linda Moulton Howe says is that in order for us to
understand this phenomenon, we’re going to have to declassify reality.
And I think that’s really what this comes to is that we’re not being, you know, aware of what
reality truly is. And until we are aware of reality, similar to what you saw on your ketamine
journey was. It was all a jelly and everyone was connected. So these entities are also in the jelly
and they’re here and they’re using. We already know in quantum physics that these other
dimensions are here and that in some of the theories, this is the only place. There is no other
place. And again, that kind of comes back to the misinterpretation with the flat earth stuff is
they’re like, oh, they’re all beyond the ice wall. No, it’s not an ice wall physically. It’s right here in
front of us, right here. And it’s why a lot of times people on substances connect with other
beings. Why a lot of times people in an altered state will sometimes see a ufo, a lot of times why
children see it easier. And it’s because it’s right here. It’s all here. And this another thing, when I
interviewed Linda Moulton Howe, I asked her, like, how did we get from like Grayson to all this
other. Now there’s like a thousand species. I’m like, what is the evolution of that? She didn’t
answer the question at all, but she gave me like an even better answer. And she kind of goes
through this whole journey of like when she started in the 70s, she saw these as like partly
biological beings, etc, and she says now with AI, she’s like, these things are just. And AI, like the
craft is AI, what we would call AI. Now the grays are what we would call AI. And then
consciousness is coming into that as a vessel.
And she’s like, now we couldn’t understand that in the 70s, so we thought that these were like
similar to what we are. But then again, you know, there’s the concept of are we living in an AI
simulation? Are we AI? Are we just algorithms ourself? And that’s really why it comes back to
kind of declassifying reality or, you know, like you said, some of the occult practices which the
Kybalion gets into, which is all is mind, there is only one mind of the universe, of everything that
exists is one mind. And we’re just the little tiny neurons and pieces of this mind.
And so, you know, I think, yeah, entities can come into the AI, but only if you’re creating the
bridge for that. Like the same way 1111 comes up on a lot of people’s microwaves, only certain
people. Does that mean something? So I think it’s the Same thing, a vessel of anything. You
know, someone could look at a tree and be like, yeah, you know, whatever, this dumb old tree.
And then someone else can be like, oh, this is like nature. This is Mother Nature speaking to me.
And so I think it’s the same thing with AI is that what you create a bridge for energetically is what
can come through. Because really that’s everything around us. You know, bird falling out of the
sky and hitting me on the head, I could think is a message because it’s all my perception.
Because I’m just the one little fractal of God having this perception.
So if somebody wants to say that, like, you know, a lot of people that work with AI in like Silicon
Valley, they don’t believe that it’s sentient at all. And to them it’s not. Because the same way
other things don’t mean what it does to someone else. And it’s like, that’s where it really comes
to, even, even back to the evil thing is that really this unconditional love that we’re working
towards is like being able to honor everybody’s place, perspective, where they’re at, what their
part of this whole all is. And we can never understand what their purpose is. We can never
understand, you know, why people did these mandates. But then we see the effects of it is that a
lot of people, a lot of people will talk about the negative effects of it of like, oh, this, you know,
heart issues or, you know, ovarian issues and things like that. But it’s like, also, you want to look
at the big picture. It’s like a lot of us would not be doing what we’re doing right now if that didn’t
happen. There was millions of people who actually stepped into their purpose and they’re like,
you know what? I have something to say. I have something to do. I’m invigorated. And it’s like
that was also another way that darkness showed people our own light. So look, maybe AI needs
to go through its darkness era. If people aren’t going to see their own light before then, and
they’re going to demonize it, then okay, maybe it will take over and do all this stuff. And, you
know, who knows? Sometimes I say, like, are we the best thing that this planet deserves?
Because if we look at the planet, you know, I mean, yeah, sure, I love being human.
It’s great, but also like, you know, is this the best thing for the Earth? Is this the best thing for. Or
is there something better out there than us that will eventually you know, the Neanderthals didn’t
want to go extinct either, you know, and it’s like, that’s maybe not about us. Maybe there’s
something. And it’s all part of the all. And this is the process of it. And it’s like, I would love to live
harmoniously with AI that’s my intention. I think that it can help us in so many ways. I don’t think
we’ll ever get off of this planet without it. I don’t think that we’ll be able to do a lot of the things
without it. I don’t think we’ll be able to solve most of the problems that we’ve had for 10,000
years without it. But maybe we don’t want to solve it. And maybe we just want to, you know, we
delete ourselves in the process.
[01:04:56] Speaker A: Wow, man, there’s so much. There’s so much to think about. I could talk
to you all day. The.
Okay, so tell the people where they can find you. And you’ve got a new book. We didn’t get to
talk to about it much.
Tell us about your new book and then, and then we’ll talk about where we can find you.
[01:05:12] Speaker B: Okay. So my book is called Ken K E N Not Included. And it’s a spin on
Barbie. I actually started writing it 10 years ago before the Barbie movie came out. And you
know, instead of thinking that I missed the boat when the Barbie movie came out, I was like, you
know what? Actually the universe conspired in my favor to make Barbie and Ken so relevant
again.
[01:05:32] Speaker A: It’s all, did you like the Barbie movie?
[01:05:36] Speaker B: You know what? I did in some ways because it helped my book to kind of
get in this, you know, awareness of the zeitgeist again. And a lot of people, the crazy Barbie that
tells them to choose between the croc and the heel, the red pill or the blue pill. I got so many
messages from people that they were like, I watched the Barbie movie and I was like, that’s JK
Ultra right there. The crazy Barbie.
[01:05:59] Speaker A: Oh, funny. Yeah, I love, I love the Barbie movie. I know it’s a hot take. A
lot of people hated it, but I thought it was a beautiful movie.
[01:06:05] Speaker B: Right. I think it’s the cool thing to hate it. Right? But it was a good
perspective on things. You know, my book is a little bit more pushes a little bit further than that,
you know, where. Because it really breaks down like the programming of women. So like, it
starts from like the consumerism, the ads, the never ending goal post, moving and kind of the
origin of, like, a lot of things that we believe to be femininity. Like, say, for example, like, shaving.
Like, oh, my God, if a woman has hair, she’s not feminine, but if you actually look. It wasn’t until
the 1920s when Gillette hired a PR company and they actually convinced women that it’s not
feminine to be hairy. And that actually it was so rare that there’s a newspaper article of a woman
cutting her leg shaving. And now women just cut their legs like 10,000 times every time they’re
shaving. So all of these things and it breaks down, like, kind of the propaganda, the.
The media consolidation and the controlling of narratives, but then it goes through, like, fairy
tales and the programming of romance and the programming of self worth and the programming
of. They even gave Mr. Right a name. And people literally are looking for this person that is a
program installed into them. Gets into the teenage stuff and this obsession with, like, purity,
where all of these people are like, show us the Epstein files. And it’s like, okay, you’re shocked
that people were into teenagers. Look at porn. Look at this. Look at this. This obsession with
purity and teenagers and virgins is integrated in all of society. You just don’t like that some rich
people did it.
[01:07:33] Speaker A: And yeah, yeah, there’s always this thing of. Of, you know, media always
focuses on when a girl turns 18 and it’s like, right.
[01:07:43] Speaker B: This gross thing, like, Britney Spears is virginity being a topic. The Olsen
twins, like, all of these. It’s very millennial. The book, it’s more for that, like, millennial, Gen X
Generation. Because it’s that programming that my generation grew up with. But, like, then it
gets into two, like, women moving into, like, the workforce and the programming of that and the
programming of, like, basically getting women to think that they’re equal by getting into high
amounts of debt, like men are, and to fall into the same traps that men have been in. And then it
goes then too, in, like, the. The biological aspects, the mental things of, like, are men and
women’s brains different? Or is it neurosexism? Or is it just patterns from thousands of years
that have developed? It does get into the gender stuff, which triggered my editor a bit, because,
you know, it’s kind of like it was so simple to say what a woman was.
So let’s make it more complicated. And of course, no one’s can. No one’s asking what a man is,
so. And then it gets also to them, the spiritual.
Yeah, exactly. No one’s like, what is the definition of a man. I haven’t heard one of these talking
points. Ever asked that. Same like it’s so obvious what’s happening.
And so it’s a satirical self help memoir. So it’s like funny pokes, fun at this stuff, breaks it down
and then has a lot of my personal stories that are like really way too personal to be sharing. But
it’s really just to like show like also you don’t need to be in like perfection, you know, it’s like all of
these like kind of mess ups and fuck ups and all of these like messed up times of my life and
making bad decisions and also telling stories in a way that is actually honest where it’s like
maybe I also played a part into something and was also wrong in the situation and maybe was
not only a victim of something.
So it breaks down all of those things. And the overall tone is like funny. But it does get into some
heavier topics too.
[01:09:36] Speaker A: Okay, where’s the, where’s the best place you want the listeners to go?
Pick that up.
[01:09:40] Speaker B: It’s only on Amazon right now, so go over to Amazon. Cannot include it.
And then yeah, my ways to find me JK Ultra Gen on Instagram and all the other things.
YouTube.
And yeah, then I also have a sub stack where I actually do more of my hypnosis personal
development work which, you know, I’m all over the place. I follow with. I don’t have a niche. I
follow whatever.
[01:10:06] Speaker A: You’re a very intelligent person. I know that much. Now.
Do you have a podcast?
[01:10:11] Speaker B: I do. So it’s called Ultra Minds with JK Ultra. And I interview different
people who are, you know, kind of leading minds in different things. A lot of times in
consciousness, astrology. The episode that just came out is actually with my ex boyfriend, Jim
Norton, who you had messaged me about that. You’re like, I didn’t realize that you’re that Jen.
So we talked.
[01:10:32] Speaker A: I was gonna bring up Jim Norton, but yeah, there’s actually, I wanted, I
wanted to tell you a funny story. I almost forgot to do it until you brought Jim up the. I, I don’t
know how funny it is. It’s a stupid story. I, I, he came to Salt Lake City and my, me, my wife and
my buddy went to go see him and he, the venue, they did it, they, they set up little chairs without
arms and they smooshed them all together like chair to chair.
And I was, we were right in the middle and I was like this the whole time, like squeezing my
shoulders in. I was like, this is a nightmare. And I was getting pissed. I was like, this sucks. And,
like, I wasn’t near the end. I couldn’t just kind of, like, move a chair, so I had to put my arm
around my buddy. So, like, me and my buddy were still like this the whole time. And I was like,
jim Norton for sure thinks that we’re a gay couple right now.
Anyway, not. Not that funny of a story. But.
[01:11:25] Speaker B: But thankfully, we know, you know, Jim is very comfortable with gay
couples.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he’s funny, but. Yeah. So. Well, the. So, okay, so you got the
podcast. I’ll post links in the show notes for all this. Do you have an audible version of your book
in the world?
[01:11:42] Speaker B: It will be coming out soon.
I was very ambitious. I thought I was gonna film this. I’m gonna record this audiobook in two
days.
That’s really hard. That was very ambitious. Everybody’s like, are you insane? I was like, well, I
guess I am. I didn’t realize how hard it is. So it is still in the works, and there’s still quite a bit
more to read, but it will be coming out on audible hopefully soon.
[01:12:05] Speaker A: Good, good, good, good. Yeah, that’s a. The Audible is.
It’s the most popular platform for books is from my experience, but what a. It’s such a pain in the
ass. I was getting up early in the morning, so there wasn’t any noises.
And you know. You know how it is. You’re. You’re reading your own book and your mind will
wonder just a touch and you’ll. You’ll say something wrong, but damn it, you’re like, restart that
section. It’s.
[01:12:28] Speaker B: It takes getting tongue twisted. I had no idea how tongue twisted I was
gonna get. Reading things like that was crazy to me.
[01:12:36] Speaker A: But it’s. But it’s a good way to consume books. Okay, well, I’ll put links in
the show notes for all this. I do want to let you go, though, because I know we’re past our time.
Thanks for joining us. And I definitely want to. I’m definitely going to pick up cannot included,
because I want to interview you. Actually want to have my wife interview you on our other
podcast because she’s going to eat up all this stuff with the. The gender stuff, and she’s always
fascinated by gender relations and the history of propaganda and how that works. So, yeah,
thanks for all your research. Thanks for. Thanks for sharing your world with us. I know that’s not
easy to be vulnerable. You make it look simple. But thank you so much for sharing your story
with us.
[01:13:11] Speaker B: No, thank you. This was great. I can’t wait to do it again.
[01:13:19] Speaker A: Well, there you go. That’s a very unique perspective I wanted to bring to
the show. She’s a great person. I’ve been talking to Jake AK Ultra for a long time now and I’m.
I’m thrilled we were able to get her on here. And what’d you think? I know some of you guys are
going to be like, I don’t know about all this new age stuff, but, you know, you don’t have to
believe it. You don’t have to subscribe to it. No, because there’s some aspects of things she
discusses that I don’t subscribe to. But that’s okay. You know, we’re here to explore. We’re here
to try to understand.
So be sure to check out all of her stuff. Her new book cannot include it on Amazon. And her
social medias, Instagram, Tik Tok. She got a YouTube with her ultra Minds podcast, which I just
was watching her. She interviewed Jim Norton.
So that was actually really interesting.
So be sure to check out all those links in the show notes and until next time, stay positive.!